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Knightsaber Sith · Nov 29, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

Like I said - I was there, I posted in it, I spent over an hour reading it. They said it couldn't be done, and then it was - as you stated - with a code re-write after people kept requesting it and said they'd pay for it no less. There's no reason the same can't be done here. Thus by virtue of the fact that I posted in that thread multiple times does gives the statement a LOT of credibility.

But making it available doesn't stab everyone in the back because the item is no more or less special if everyone had it. If the item is so special as you say- why do I not see people prancing around going emoting everything under the sun for the purpose of displaying it? Every time I see an emote spammer it is to be annoying (as the following stop spamming comments indicate), and there is no DA. None. The disco ball dance for Dervishes, the equivalent in Nightfall, is being beaten to death and then some but the fact that everyone has it does not make it less special. Either you have it or you don't.

Also, if you look back at the last Gaile chat, she stated that there "are no plans.." to make more. Just because there are no plans to doesnt mean they won't. Or that they will. But it does seem to show that they are aware of an interest on the part of the fanbase. If anything is to happen at all, that's the first step.

They didn't say it couldn't be done; they said it wasn't possible with the current build of the game. You can keep talking about this mythic thread that's the cornerstone of your argument; but if you can't give a linky it amounts to nothing.

Actually; it would be far less special if everyone had it. A feature being constatnly flaunted by everyone that has it would not indicate how special it is.

She says there are no plans as in they aren't even considering it (as in there is zero intent to do it). She also says they dont' reprint them as a rule.

nbajammer · Nov 29, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

They didn't say it couldn't be done; they said it wasn't possible with the current build of the game. You can keep talking about this mythic thread that's the cornerstone of your argument; but if you can't give a linky it amounts to nothing.

Actually; it would be far less special if everyone had it. A feature being constatnly flaunted by everyone that has it would not indicate how special it is.

She says there are no plans as in they aren't even considering it (as in there is zero intent to do it). She also says they dont' reprint them as a rule.

Not my problem if you dont want to look up a 50+ page thread on GWO and then spend hours on top of that looking for the specific post(s). Fact is, it was there. You cannot change the facts. Since I was there, and you apparently were not, it amounts to everything. And no, the thread is not the cornerstone of my arguement, had you read my posts you'd see that. But you have no link to anything that says it will never, ever happen either so by your own standards your arguement has no merit either. She says they dont reprint them as a rule, but past rules have been changed. Nothing to say this won't be either, in one form or another.

As for how special it is, fact is not everyone is flaunting it. Countless people who have it don't even play. So you have glowing hands. Big deal. Anyone who thinks they are uber special because they have one emote is not focusing on the big picture. Even if everyone had the DA, you still have your art book, your poster, your headset, etc. So no, it isn't devalued at all.

No plans means it may or may not happen. Can't argue the facts there. They said they wouldnt add slots, but that got changed. There's nothing to suggest this couldn't be changed either.

nbajammer · Nov 29, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Solar Light

if you want comparisons, there is plenty of things in life we all cannot get, you dont see every player walking around with crystalline swords now do you? or stuff in RL like other collecables and items, ect

quite simply, everyone cannot have all they want, and i count myself lucky to have the Proph CE

You don't get crystallines by adding a CD Key to your account, do you? No. Invalid comparison. There's no reason not to make it available.

Loviatar · Nov 29, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

So you have glowing hands. Big deal. .

yes it is a big deal to you as you posted earlier that

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I'd willingly pay $70 over again for a Prophecies CE key from the online store so I could add the Divine Aura to my primary account

you would pay an extra 70 dollars to add to an existing account.

so those *glowing hands* are worth at least SEVENTY DOLLARS to you

Solar Light · Nov 29, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

yes, but the Cd key is a rare item aswell.

DA is not a nessesary thing to enjoy GW, its a bonus, a rare one now due to the age of it

i bet your one of those whiners about item rarity and crap like that? if not, when sorry, but seriously, YOU CANNOT GET EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU ON A PLATTER.

if i didnt have my DA, of course i would want it, like i want a million bucks, tons of gold, and all that other junk we all want.

Da is just icing on the cake, get your head straight please.

xxSilhouette · Nov 29, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Solar Light

As to why the DA isnt seen as often, its becasue most of us with it, are either not spamming it, busy doing stuff ingame, and, the difference in player population and the fact that old players do tend leave or semi-retire

so, the players that display DA are less then what used to be.

I have the Aura myself, and i dont see others using it too often, and yes, i like the bit of attention and comments i get from it sometimes.

I like the uniqeness of it, compared to seeing someome spamming the Factions or NF emotes everywhere, i would swear that the NF CE had the largest amount made to date >.>

Personaly, im fine with keeping DA as it is, seeing every joe and whammo spamming it in town would be a spit in the face to me.

if you want comparisons, there is plenty of things in life we all cannot get, you dont see every player walking around with crystalline swords now do you? or stuff in RL like other collecables and items, ect

quite simply, everyone cannot have all they want, and i count myself lucky to have the Proph CE

Exactly =) I continue to get the CE's but i don't often show off my disco ball or spirits, beacuse everyone has them, so i simply just type /dance to show off.

But, sorry to everyone else, but I agree with Solar. I'm glad that I have it, and if everyone else had it, then it wouldn't really matter to me anymore, just like the disco ball isn't that significant. So i hope that they don't release more, simply to keep the DA a rareity. I think it is awesome when im standing in a town with 50 others, and one other person comes over with the DA, beacuse it hardly ever happens, but If all of those 50 people had it, Well what would be so special about it?

I contine to buy the CE's beacuse I like collecting them, after all, they are collector editions

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 29, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

Not my problem if you dont want to look up a 50+ page thread on GWO and then spend hours on top of that looking for the specific post(s). Fact is, it was there. You cannot change the facts. Since I was there, and you apparently were not, it amounts to everything. And no, the thread is not the cornerstone of my arguement, had you read my posts you'd see that. But you have no link to anything that says it will never, ever happen either so by your own standards your arguement has no merit either. She says they dont reprint them as a rule, but past rules have been changed. Nothing to say this won't be either, in one form or another.

As for how special it is, fact is not everyone is flaunting it. Countless people who have it don't even play. So you have glowing hands. Big deal. Anyone who thinks they are uber special because they have one emote is not focusing on the big picture. Even if everyone had the DA, you still have your art book, your poster, your headset, etc. So no, it isn't devalued at all.

No plans means it may or may not happen. Can't argue the facts there. They said they wouldnt add slots, but that got changed. There's nothing to suggest this couldn't be changed either.

The burden of proof is on your shoulders bud. A lawyer can't go to court and tell the judge his client didn't kill that woman Cause he was in another state with a friend and happened to video tape the occassion; then when the judge asks to see the tape tell him that if he wants to see it so badly he can go find it himself. And since you claim to have "been there", and no one else has seen it and you can't prove it ever happened; then it does amount to nothing. I do have a link if you recall, a link to a Gaile chat log that says they have a policy of not reprinting CE's. Did you forget about that? Again you make claims to precedent such as "past rules have been changed"; but have you given any actual example? Of course not.

If you claim divine aura is a trivial thing that's no "big deal"; then why are so many people asking for it? Devaluing part of the whole does indeed devalue the whole.

Once more you refer back to the character slots; you say it's not the cornerstone of your argument but so far it's the only form of evidence you've given..... and still no proof. If you intend to debate this, you have to actually cite evidence rather than just making something up and telling everyone else to find it.

nbajammer · Nov 29, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

If you claim divine aura is a trivial thing that's no "big deal"; then why are so many people asking for it? Devaluing part of the whole does indeed devalue the whole.

Devaluing part of the whole does NOT devalue the whole. Everyone having it does not devalue it. You may want to look up the contents of the Prophecies Collector's Edition and review it. The rest of your post is a flame, and does not deserve a response from me as I do not respond to flamers or trolls. If you cannot disagree with me civilly then you do not deserve a response from me. Your only choice then is to agree to disagree and move on.

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 29, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

It does indeed devalue the whole. Say I have a coin collection worth $2 thousand; then the mint finds a cache of coins and now half of my coin collection is only worth a forth what it was previously. The entire collection now only has a value of $1250. A whole is the sum of its parts; if you detract from its parts, the sum is indeed less. >_<

It's not a flame at all, it's me explaining to you that if you want to continue this debate (which you seem to); you have to actually provide evidence. You can't just say whatever you want and expect it to have any merit.

bhavv · Nov 29, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

As guildwars was still a new game when prophecies came out, I didnt buy the CE. Now its the only chapter that I dont have the CE for, and I really want the divine auras

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They should add bonus dances for all classes in each CE.

Lykath · Nov 29, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

glad i got my prophecies ce the first day gw released

nbajammer · Nov 29, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by bhavv

As guildwars was still a new game when prophecies came out, I didnt buy the CE. Now its the only chapter that I dont have the CE for, and I really want the divine auras

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They should add bonus dances for all classes in each CE.

I agree that they should, because for each CE put out its one more person in the same shoes as those of us wanting a Proph CE released. That would be fair to the long-term customers who've paid for every CE released.

toramiko · Nov 29, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Touchy subject. You got to remember, Guild Wars is only 3 chapters old and you don't know exactly what will happen in the future regarding past campaigns. (Despite even Anet's position on certain subjects.)

In my opinion though, the collector's edition should be self explanatory. It's a collector's item, once the supply runs out -- there shouldn't be any more.

You can't really re-introduce a collectors item. Or you will devalue what is already available. (As already pointed out in this thread.)

I think the best example of this relating to Guild Wars was the collectible headgear that was mentioned in the thread already. You can't get them again.

You can hope, dream and look forward to getting it again, only to find out it's not the same. Like the pumpkin heads given out during the 2006 Halloween event. It was not the same as the one from 2005.

Hypothetically speaking, IF Anet did decide to release a collector's edition of prophecies again, it probably won't be the same as the ones now (probably won't be called collector's edition either).

That would probably appeal to a wider spectrum of players than just re-releasing a CE because players with or without the Prophecies CE would be inclined to buy it.

nbajammer · Nov 29, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Again you're confusing Collector's Edition with Limited Edition. This isnt a case of number xx out of xxxx copies made sort of thing. However, you do reinforce what I've said a little bit as well - you never know what's going to happen in the future. As the case was with the slots, anything could change. And this thread shows several reasons why it could change. This is why I am not replying to every post anymore, as many are not even worth replying to since they are nothing more than flamebait. The track record speaks for itself. Since demand is picking up let's see what they are willing to do about it. That's how things got changed in the past - if even not as everyone wanted - butchanged nonetheless.

toramiko · Nov 30, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

Again you're confusing Collector's Edition with Limited Edition.

I may be, but you have to understand as well that we can not take these terms in literal meaning because it is the company who defines these terms. Whether it be Collector's Edition, Limited Edition, Special Edition, Platinum Edition, etc. It would be a misconception to say that x Editions are (or should be) always available because that is not always necessarily true.

When the production of a product has ended, there may be a decision not to produce the product under a "x Edition" again. Despite its popularity.

However, as it stands now, Anet appears to be treating the Collector's Edition as a Limited Edition. They are producing them based on initial orders, statistics, and what they foresee and may not be produced in levels to meet market demand. That was especially true for Prophecies because they did not foresee such a high demand for it.

But like I mentioned before, based on how Anet has been operating, I would guess a different Edition of Prophecies may be released to appeal to fans, but I doubt they would reprint/produce the exact same CE.

nbajammer · Nov 30, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46

I much prefer the other option listed - add the DA to the subsequent CEs (and only CEs) to maintain a standard of continuity - much like the artbook and poster have been staples so too should the DA as opposed to the DA only for select few.

xxSilhouette · Nov 30, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by toramiko

In my opinion though, the collector's edition should be self explanatory. It's a collector's item, once the supply runs out -- there shouldn't be any more.

agreed.

Tsunami Rain · Nov 30, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

sorry guys but flaming, trolling, etc. has to stop now. any more of it and I'll have to start taking more forceful actions.

lord_shar · Nov 30, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

It's really up to ANET to decide whether or not they will ever re-implement divine aura in any future edition. Stating either one way or another is just more guess-work on our part, which doesn't help anyone.

One other poster claimed that divine aura would never get implemented in the final Nightfall Release since it wasn't present in the PvE preview weekend... see how correct he/she was?

Anyway, the few remaining unopened Prophecies CE's will only go up in price given how DA has been fully supported in every chapter so far. It is the one bonus feature that gets to enjoy too many ANET updates (going well beyond Ch1 content).

I sincerely hope ANET starts releasing chapter-specific divine auras variants, just to give others a chance of seeing it on their toons.

PS: I have all CE copies, so I have nothing to gain with the above suggestion.

toramiko · Nov 30, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

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Originally Posted by nbajammer

I much prefer the other option listed - add the DA to the subsequent CEs (and only CEs) to maintain a standard of continuity - much like the artbook and poster have been staples so too should the DA as opposed to the DA only for select few.

That is a good solution if we are speaking of the Divine Aura specifically. But at the same time, I have to point out that the Factions and Nightfall CE included a mini-pet AND unique dances for their corresponding professions. Something the Prophecies CE will lack if the DA was a staple of all CEs.

So for this to be a workable idea, a balance will have to be achieved throughout all the CEs.

Would Anet be willing to revisit old CEs and make these adjustments? You can't really say. But you can keep hoping. Makes life interesting.

Nov 29, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43	#69
Knightsaber Sith Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Few Fallen Heroes [FFH] Profession: W/E	It does indeed devalue the whole. Say I have a coin collection worth $2 thousand; then the mint finds a cache of coins and now half of my coin collection is only worth a forth what it was previously. The entire collection now only has a value of $1250. A whole is the sum of its parts; if you detract from its parts, the sum is indeed less. >_< It's not a flame at all, it's me explaining to you that if you want to continue this debate (which you seem to); you have to actually provide evidence. You can't just say whatever you want and expect it to have any merit. Last edited by Knightsaber Sith; Nov 29, 2006 at 10:50 PM // 22:50..

Nov 29, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46	#65
Solar Light Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Teutonic Warriors {TW} Profession: Mo/	yes, but the Cd key is a rare item aswell. DA is not a nessesary thing to enjoy GW, its a bonus, a rare one now due to the age of it i bet your one of those whiners about item rarity and crap like that? if not, when sorry, but seriously, YOU CANNOT GET EVERYTHING HANDED TO YOU ON A PLATTER. if i didnt have my DA, of course i would want it, like i want a million bucks, tons of gold, and all that other junk we all want. Da is just icing on the cake, get your head straight please.

Nov 29, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13	#70
bhavv Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2006	As guildwars was still a new game when prophecies came out, I didnt buy the CE. Now its the only chapter that I dont have the CE for, and I really want the divine auras . They should add bonus dances for all classes in each CE.

Nov 29, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17	#71
Lykath Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006	glad i got my prophecies ce the first day gw released

Nov 29, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21	#73
toramiko Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Mystic Masters of Gaia Profession: Mo/	Touchy subject. You got to remember, Guild Wars is only 3 chapters old and you don't know exactly what will happen in the future regarding past campaigns. (Despite even Anet's position on certain subjects.) In my opinion though, the collector's edition should be self explanatory. It's a collector's item, once the supply runs out -- there shouldn't be any more. You can't really re-introduce a collectors item. Or you will devalue what is already available. (As already pointed out in this thread.) I think the best example of this relating to Guild Wars was the collectible headgear that was mentioned in the thread already. You can't get them again. You can hope, dream and look forward to getting it again, only to find out it's not the same. Like the pumpkin heads given out during the 2006 Halloween event. It was not the same as the one from 2005. Hypothetically speaking, IF Anet did decide to release a collector's edition of prophecies again, it probably won't be the same as the ones now (probably won't be called collector's edition either). That would probably appeal to a wider spectrum of players than just re-releasing a CE because players with or without the Prophecies CE would be inclined to buy it.

Nov 29, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38	#74
nbajammer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Iowa Guild: Blade And Rose [BaR] Profession: Mo/	Again you're confusing Collector's Edition with Limited Edition. This isnt a case of number xx out of xxxx copies made sort of thing. However, you do reinforce what I've said a little bit as well - you never know what's going to happen in the future. As the case was with the slots, anything could change. And this thread shows several reasons why it could change. This is why I am not replying to every post anymore, as many are not even worth replying to since they are nothing more than flamebait. The track record speaks for itself. Since demand is picking up let's see what they are willing to do about it. That's how things got changed in the past - if even not as everyone wanted - butchanged nonetheless.

Nov 30, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#76
nbajammer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Iowa Guild: Blade And Rose [BaR] Profession: Mo/	I much prefer the other option listed - add the DA to the subsequent CEs (and only CEs) to maintain a standard of continuity - much like the artbook and poster have been staples so too should the DA as opposed to the DA only for select few.

Nov 30, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55	#78
Tsunami Rain mmmmmmmm pie. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Guild: Favorable Winds [Gust] Profession: Mo/	sorry guys but flaming, trolling, etc. has to stop now. any more of it and I'll have to start taking more forceful actions.

Nov 30, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11	#79
lord_shar Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: near SF, CA	It's really up to ANET to decide whether or not they will ever re-implement divine aura in any future edition. Stating either one way or another is just more guess-work on our part, which doesn't help anyone. One other poster claimed that divine aura would never get implemented in the final Nightfall Release since it wasn't present in the PvE preview weekend... see how correct he/she was? Anyway, the few remaining unopened Prophecies CE's will only go up in price given how DA has been fully supported in every chapter so far. It is the one bonus feature that gets to enjoy too many ANET updates (going well beyond Ch1 content). I sincerely hope ANET starts releasing chapter-specific divine auras variants, just to give others a chance of seeing it on their toons. PS: I have all CE copies, so I have nothing to gain with the above suggestion.